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is a percentage of gdp is 24%. it's projected to go substantially higher. do you know that medicare and medicaid didn't exist 50 years ago and they're now a quarter of the federal budget? >> i know. it was supposed to be supplemental. david walker was on the other day talking about obama care which is supposed to save us a trillion dollars and the actual cost, what it added the our entitlement is 12 trillion. just that we did in the last two years. or whenever it was. >> but in terms of where we are now in this negotiation, i believe that both sides in the final analysis want a deal and the compromise is in the revenue side for the president and potentially rates which i think he's serious on and real entitlement reform for the republicans and the american people, markets, business, confidence, the able to move forward in 2013 is all a function of doing both of the things you talk about, joe. having an agreement to avoid the debt, the fiscal cliff, and then having a down payment on actually getting the $4 trillion identified. >> howard dean is a deficit hawk. liberal, but he is a deficit hawk. h
medicare. we've passed cut cap and balance. the democrats have shown us nothing other than how them's increase taxes by about $75 billion when economic growth will return $750 billion. >> ron, try that line, here's the pen, i'll sign it if -- say i got a pen i can lend you, mr. president forks that pen that you have that will sign -- i let him have the floor. i can say what he said. but $75 billion. we're doing back flips about $75 billion and we have a trillion dollar problem. but that's all you hear. people nodding behind him. $75 billion out of a trillion. that's all we're talk about. and no interests in talking about anybody else. >> and they take entitlement reform off the table. labor leaders were pleased when they left the white house. president obama, show us your plan, show the american people your plan. >> senator, thank you. >> thank you. >>> coming up, what negotiations in washington mean for trading on wall street. we'll ask the man who manages more than $150 billion next. >>> coming up, what negotiations [ male announcer ] at scottrade, we believe the more you know, th
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